. >> the same thing happened when you saw potential increasing of taxes on cigarettes. it happened in chicago where you had business groups, the black chamber of commerce, they said, oh, this is going to hurt small businesses but then the argument was, wait a minute, when you look at cancer rates among african-americans, how do you say don't do that when it's affecting african-americans? and so i think the naacp, the new york chapter is going to have to have an explanation because, again, obesity among african-americans is huge. >> well, the explanation is that they'd like to see a more holistic approach, that this is not the way to do it. it's a little bit like your gun debate. like don't do this, do a big picture, you're never going to get the solution. i think there is some merit to that argument. however -- >> also a loophole here. they say that small business owners are affected, convenience stores, but larger stores like -- according to "the new york times," larger stores like 7-eleven would be exempt from soda restrictions because of a court in new york's regulat